
Julie Dermansky: Steel Gate at her studio in Deposit, New York
JULIE: I was at the art students league taking drawing and this teacher came behind me and I was making a mess like I do and he said "Ah, a lefty. But its nothing like Rembrandt," and I was, like, “Rembrandt? Fuck you! Why would I draw like him? He was great but he already drew like that. I'm not here to do that."
If I can recognize something you did without being told you did it, you have done something magic, you have created a visual vocabulary. Good, bad, doesn't matter you've created something brand new. Everything's been tried but no one can draw like you, unique, special. It's not the materials, it's you.
Everyone can multiply. You struggle at algebra but you can learn it. Everyone can draw. Everyone can do their times table. It's just a matter of developing the skill. Drawing is a skill and a science, like learning perspective.
I love Tennessee Williams – At the beginning of Cat on a Hot Tin Roof., he says something like “Every human being is in their own jail call and all we can do to communicate is to take the thing you know the best and put it out there. The strongest part of you that everyone can interpret in their own language.”
He took his internal dramas and made works of art that are in the mainstream yet retain that rawness. You don’t need to know all about his internal extremeness to enjoy his work.
I don't know why I make the things that I do and I don't overanalyze it. I never took formal art education classes, I learned it from art historians, composition, color theory, I learned it right from the work, not from academics.
There's work I've done that was completely derivative and I wouldn’t show it. It's not part of my vocabulary. It's my homage to the artists I love.
If you go to a museum or a gallery and you have to read the thing on the wall to understand the art, the work is bullshit. However if you go that museum and have some sort of response to the work you can't understand, and then you read the wall, and reading the explanation helps you develop another layer of appreciation and understanding, that makes the work more rewarding, it will be a beautiful thing.
I went to see the Calder retrospective at the Whitney when I was in second grade. And I appreciated that he is a great artist but I just didn't like it and it bugged me and I said to myself, I can make better things than that and I knew that I would. I was that confident as a child. Then looking at Picasso, I thought how did he make so many pictures and then when I really started rolling with my own stuff, I said, Oh, if you make work everyday it's not that hard to make that much stuff. I just compared myself to the pros and never found that conceited.
In Europe, it's very conceited to say 'I'm an artist' but it's fine to say 'I'm a painter' or 'I'm a sculptor'.
For me the definition of an artist is someone who has created a visual vocabulary. I may not like it. But when you look at a retrospective of an artist's work, you can check it and look for the vision, the palette, even if you don't respond to it. It's not about liking but seeing quality, consistency.
(To be continued)
To see more of Julie's work, please visit
her website.
Comments
sitting here absorbing every word..."creating a visual vocabulary"..I like that
Posted by: fern | September 29, 2004 07:37 AM
What wonderful gates.
Posted by: nic squirrell | September 29, 2004 08:43 AM
lefty here
create... create... create...
all your fans need your works of art...
mean no offense, but who the heck was rembrant anyway :)
Posted by: blarneybytes | September 29, 2004 11:58 AM
thank you for posting this interview/conversation. lately as i've stared at my watercolors i have doubted myself and struggled to not get hung up on what other's have done... to find my own and turn off the comparisons and doubt. this is just what i needed to hear. that first sentence made me smile with a "yeah!" thanks.
Posted by: sarah | September 29, 2004 01:05 PM
Wow, would I ever like to commission a new front door and fence from her. A girl can dream. Sigh.
Posted by: Sharyn | September 29, 2004 01:24 PM
Seeing those gates makes me want to learn how to weld. Beautiful, talented and I want to be like that when I grow up. But what if you've grown up? Do the thing, now!
Lise x
Posted by: Lise | October 1, 2004 02:17 AM
I wish I could afford some of Julie's work (inc. shipping across the atlantic!)
Posted by: madge | October 1, 2004 05:27 AM